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The Moral Bankruptcy of Hillary Clinton

by Setrak, Wed Mar 26, 2008 at 08:37:44 PM EST

I really cannot fully digest this. It's like a bad meal from a fast food joint that doesn't want to sit down. It wants to come right out and desecrate the world around me. I want to vomit right now. I cannot believe what I am reading. I cannot make any sense of it. I don't really want to make sense of it.

To say that I have been critical of Hillary Clinton would be an understatement. I have been an Obama supporter ever since he had the cojones to speak up about the North-West Frontier in Pakistan. I was with the movement when it was still doubted by all, called inexperienced and unready by everyone. I stuck with the movement through Iowa and New Hampshire, through Nevada and South Carolina. Even after my state went with Clinton, I stuck with the Obama movement.

There have been times when I got angry. Times when I said that I'd support McCain over Clinton. Times when I said I'd stay home before I support Clinton. We tend to say selfish things when we are angry. I was angry when she made the Commander-In-Chief threshold remarks about McCain and Obama. I was angry when she repeated them. I cooled off since then.

Tonight, Hillary Clinton has given me no reason what so ever to vote for her. None. Zero. Kaput. Scaife. I cannot believe it! The man who spent years, MILLIONS of dollars trying to ruin her and Bill. She proudly appears with him yesterday. I'm not even going to bother posting the sources, Bob Johnson has all of the sources here; http://www.mydd.com/story/2008/3/26/1746 54/885

To say that I am angry would be an understatement. I am disgusted. The American Spectator! They're trying to paint Obama as being anti-Israeli. I know they are, I've seen this before. It's an insult to myself and my cousins who actually live there. They take minor comments that most Israelis would agree with and they cast it in a negative light, they throw in people who draw from their biased opinions to deliberately make what some would call a "point," while others would call it a "smear."

I don't know what to think right now. I wrote a diary calling for Democratic unity come November. That feels like it was longer than a few days ago. I looked over the diary list and I saw one "Democrat" bringing up Jonah Goldberg. I've seen plenty using World Net Daily, News Max, Fox News.. Kristol, Judicial Watch, Republican Jews..

I don't know what is becoming of Clinton's camp. I sometimes refer to Clinton's "right wing." I was usually just being a partisan jerk who didn't really think that Clinton had a "dark Republican side" to her. It seems her campaign, her camp, and her company certainly does. I take no joy in saying any of this. I don't want any recommendations for this diary. There is nothing to celebrate in this diary. I am genuinely sickened by the reports of today. I am disgusted that she would side with those who vilified her and Bill because they share a greater common enemy in Barack Obama. They would share a greater common enemy with any Democrat in Obama's position.

So please, no recommendations. I'll be severely tempted to erase this diary. There's nothing in this diary that makes me proud. Hillary Diane Rodham Clinton has, in my mind, filed with Saint Peter for bankruptcy of morality. The games that ambitious children play.

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If you have any interest in hearing (2.00 / 5)

the other side, let me be clear. The "liberal" media have done a series of horrific things to Hillary this primary campaign. From Olbermann spitting nails at her over Geraldine Ferraro to Jack Cafferty on CNN calling her an unseemly whiner. It never ends. Cafferty was on there again today. The entire misogynistic liberal left -- and oh yes I remember them from tbe 60s as well (Huey Newton saying 'yes there's a position for women in the black power movement: prone'). Objective observers of the media (Public Interest) have documented that HIllary is getting slammed about twice as much as Obama.

So, before you start whining about Hillary going to the conservative media to get her message out, consider the reasons.

Reasonable people can disagree.

by mnicholson0220 on Wed Mar 26, 2008 at 08:44:15 PM EST

She wins on issues they want to prevent discussion (2.00 / 4)

of..

Basically, they are trying to drown the issues out with noise..

Both media noise and obama noise..

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by architek on Wed Mar 26, 2008 at 08:51:28 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Also I think the urgency of their (2.00 / 4)

hatred was ratcheted up a notch when she won in OH and TX, because they know they've burned their bridges with her and if she wins they might have a frosty 4-8 years with the White House.

Both Anderson Cooper and Larry King (CNN) have made declarative statements that Hillary is invited to come on their shows to be interviewed like Obama and McCain were, but she hasn't responded. At first I wondered "Why isn't she accepting the invitation?" but now I think I know.

Why expose yourself to a hit job if you don't have to? CNN has made its position perfectly clear and there's absolutely no reason to expect that a civil, fair, or balanced interview would happen.

Greta van Susteren is showing an interview with her tonight. The lefties will have a field day accusing her of going over to FOX, but really what choice does she have?

Reasonable people can disagree.

by mnicholson0220 on Wed Mar 26, 2008 at 08:57:39 PM EST
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Re: Also I think the urgency of their (none / 0)

It's so funny how one's perspective varies. In my household, we call CNN the Clinton News Network.

We care about politics because we know politics matters for people's lives and opportunities.

by politicsmatters on Wed Mar 26, 2008 at 09:00:51 PM EST
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Right, well check out the (2.00 / 1)

"Jack Cafferty" segment of The Situation Room (roughly 3:30-4 pm Pacific Time daily, and get back to me on that.

Reasonable people can disagree.

by mnicholson0220 on Thu Mar 27, 2008 at 02:05:45 AM EST
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Re: Also I think the urgency of their (none / 0)

Also I think the urgency of their hatred was ratcheted up a notch when she won in OH and TX, because they know they've burned their bridges with her and if she wins they might have a frosty 4-8 years with the White House.

Hahahaha. Yeah right. "Burned-bridges"? She just sat down with RICHARD MELON SCAIFFE. Evidently, you can spends millions of dollars trying to destroy her and her husband and accuse them of murder and she'll still sit down with the editorial board of your newspaper and quote an article from one of your rags to attack her Democratic rival. So no, I don't think Larry King and Anderson Cooper have anything to worry about.

by RP McMurphy on Wed Mar 26, 2008 at 10:49:03 PM EST
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It's called "forgiveness", baby ... what (2.00 / 1)

Christian churches teach and Trinity UM does not.

Reasonable people can disagree.

by mnicholson0220 on Thu Mar 27, 2008 at 02:04:47 AM EST
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Re: If you have any interest in hearing (2.00 / 1)

I said so many times that I would support her if she is the nominee. There is no excuse for her to be siding with Republicans against the front runner of the Democratic primary. NONE. I don't care how badly you or she want to win. I really don't. This has been beyond unacceptable.

I hear so many Clinton supporters here insulting Kerry, insulting Pelosi, insulting Dean and Daschle. Richardson, Brazile.. your camp has begun to sound like Redstate.com.

"Behold, I send you out as sheep amidst the wolves! Therefore, be as wise as a serpent, And as harmless as a dove."

by Setrak on Wed Mar 26, 2008 at 08:52:58 PM EST
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That is hillarious! (2.00 / 3)

have you been to dailykos lately? Obama central- now there is some redstate. You have no idea how many times I have heard Obama supporters repeat GOP talking points about Clinton. The perfect Obama campaign, lest we forget, also made a point of using Harry and Louise in its Ohio mailing...

by linc on Wed Mar 26, 2008 at 08:58:37 PM EST
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Re: If you have any interest in hearing (none / 0)

You know, earlier today it occurred that there would be no way to know if Republicans were coming to this site and posting things to create havoc and make sure no one wanted to vote for the Dem nominee. The links and sites many refer to are really making me take that idea seriously. I think we should really be careful about taking some of the more extreme stuff seriously.

by Becky G on Wed Mar 26, 2008 at 09:00:12 PM EST
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Re: If you have any interest in hearing (none / 0)

I understand you believe that Hillary gets criticized because she is a woman. I understand you are sincere in this. But while sometimes the tone has reflected some bias, I think that most criticisms are ones that would occur with any other candidate.

I mean, really, if another candidate created a dramatic picture about running from a plane to a car and then you see footage of that candidate calmly walking and posing for pictures, wouldn't that lead people to wonder about the candidate's truthfulness?

We care about politics because we know politics matters for people's lives and opportunities.

by politicsmatters on Wed Mar 26, 2008 at 08:53:36 PM EST
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You're a good example of the power of (2.00 / 3)

media bias. Here is the true story, which none of the MSM is interested in telling. Hillary flew by blackhawk to outposts without Sinbad and without the now-famous CBS cameraman. These trips are recorded by AP, below:

Associated Press, March 25, 1996:

MARKOVICI, Bosnia-Herzegovina - PROTECTED BY SHARPSHOOTERS, Hillary Rodham Clinton swooped into a military zone by BLACKHAWK HELICOPTER Monday to deliver a personal "thank you, thank you, thank you" to U.S.
troops.

"They're making a difference," the first lady said of the 18,500
Americans working as peacekeepers in Bosnia. Mrs. Clinton became the first presidential spouse since Eleanor Roosevelt to make such an extensive trip into what can be considered a hostile area, though others
have visited hot spots. . . .

But the highlight of her trip were visits to TWO FORTIFIED POSTS OUTSIDE THE U.S. BASE IN TUZLA. Even President Clinton, restricted to the base by bad weather in January, did not see as much of this war-wracked region as Mrs. Clinton did Monday.

The troops seemed to appreciate it: cameras chirped like a thousand crickets as she chatted with mine-disposal experts, examined huge tanks and met a hero or two. Chelsea, 16, kept her usual low profile but remained constantly at her mother's side, posing for soldiers or talking softly with them.

Watching the first lady troop around in muted trench coat and pants, Sgt. Michael Tucker of Miami said, "She's a very important person. For her to take time to come and see us means a lot."

Another contemporaneous account:

At a second outpost, Camp Bedrock, Mrs. Clinton visited a M.A.S.H. unit, the only full-service U.S. Army hospital in Bosnia. The three-hour tour of the FRONTLINES of the international peacekeeping mission were filled with the gritty reality of a military operation, a far cry from traditional first lady photo opportunities, and Mrs. Clinton seemed more than comfortable with that. CNN, 3/25/96

Protected by sharpshooters, Hillary Rodham Clinton swooped into a military zone by Black Hawk helicopter Monday to deliver a personal "thank you, thank you, thank you" to U.S. troops.
...
RIFLEMEN RUSHED TO THE BRUSH LINE as the helicopter landed AND SURROUNDED HER AS SHE walked into the post. Located in a "separation zone," the U.S. outpost nestles between two tree lines. Just months ago, one was Serbian territory, the other Bosnian.

Security was tight - fighter jets accompanied her C-17 cargo plane to Tuzla - but officials said the first lady took no extraordinary risks on the trip.
Lexis - By Ron Fournier,, Associated Press, March 25, 1996

Another report:

The First Lady of the United States, Hillary Clinton, visited her
country's troops at their FORTIFIED OUTPOSTS in north-eastern Bosnia today and said their peacekeeping work was "extraordinary to behold".

Mrs Clinton's helicopter flight to Camp Alicia, home of a mechanised infantry outfit and a combat engineer batallion 15 MILES EAST OF TUZLA, took her over burned out villages and farm houses whose roofs had been blown off in the fierce fighting before last December's Paris peace agreement ended the 43 -month-old war in Bosnia.

A MACHINE GUN EMPLACEMENT GUARDED THE ENTRANCE of the outposts and marked Bosnian minefields were visible outside its perimeter.
...
After lunch with the troops in a makeshift dining hall surrounded by sandbags, she flew on to Camp Bedrock south of Tuzla to visit an army field hospital.

Mrs Clinton, who LATER RETURNED TO TUZLA for a show starring singer Sheryl Crow and comedian Sinbad, said she was "amazed at how much has been accomplished in such a short period of time" by US troops in Bosnia.
Source - Lexis - The Herald (Glasgow), March 26, 1996

Reasonable people can disagree.

by mnicholson0220 on Wed Mar 26, 2008 at 09:00:48 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: You're a good example of the power of (none / 0)

What do you mean this is the real story? Clinton wasn't talking about those incidents and she herself hasn't said that she was.

We care about politics because we know politics matters for people's lives and opportunities.

by politicsmatters on Wed Mar 26, 2008 at 09:02:47 PM EST
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Re: If you have any interest in hearing (none / 0)

The real question about Hillary is not whether she is able to get her message out, its does anyone really care what her message is?

She has been spouting the same rhetorical rhetoric for over 20 years. I grant her great, west coast kudos for trying to put a new spin on old yarn but the reality is that she has not added anything new to the political discussion, nothing.

Her opponents, Obama and McCain have done little to offer anything new either, creating a serious vacuum of ideas and solutions to a growing list of social, political and economic problems.

Without new and innovative ideas those problems will never be solved and we will continue down the inevitable slope of despair and despondency. I for one am hoping, perhaps beyond rational hope, for a white (No reference to ethnicity) night, a real leader of men to take us to a new level of Hope not just the spoken version mouthed by the three still standing.

Grayglow

by grayglow on Wed Mar 26, 2008 at 09:49:38 PM EST
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What is so uninspiring about good ideas? (2.00 / 1)

No one can survive the media gauntlet and remain unsullied, so it comes down to figuring out who has the best ideas and who can get their ideas through.

Despite the dislike so many hold for him, Bill Clinton actually accomplished more the liberal agenda than any President since FDR. And FDR was an odd case since the Great Depression forced the issue. It's a mystery to me why Clinton is not given more credit for the good he did. Peace, prosperity, Family Leave Act, assistance to parents and college students, balancing a budget (on the backs of the wealthy, not the poor), advancing the incomes of african-americans significantly over his 8 years in office.

I mean, what does a person have to do to get any respect around here? Walk on water? The dreamer set thought they had the water-walker in Obama, but now he's sinking like a stone now. I'm afraid it's a sign of our under-educated times that ideas no longer inspire.

Reasonable people can disagree.

by mnicholson0220 on Thu Mar 27, 2008 at 02:03:45 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: What is so uninspiring about good ideas? (none / 0)

I'm sorry to say that the problem is in the ideas. its the ideas that are wrong, made only worse by the delivery and those that follow those inane ideas and messages. Raise taxes, take away from our rights to choose, continue to destroy the family etc...yack yack yak

Grayglow

by grayglow on Sat Mar 29, 2008 at 06:55:25 PM EST
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Re: The Moral Bankruptcy of Hillary Clinton (none / 0)

I have to say that the Bosnia flap tells me that Clinton has characteristics that could make her a truly awful president. We have a president right now who cannot admit mistakes and who recreates reality and he has been a disaster.

How Clinton reacted to the news showing that her memory was faulty was to partially admit it and then to offer another false story, while being extremely grudging about it. (Although I must admit that Clinton was more honest about her Bosnia error than were many of her supporters in the blogosphere, who simply could not bring themselves to admit that Clinton was incorrect.)

She has never been able to bring herself to utter the words "mistake" or "error" with regard to her Iraq war vote.

My spouse and some friends had told me, when I supported Clinton, that they did not because she had such characteristics. I used to argue with them and would say that these were not true or were overstated by her historical enemies. Now I think they were right. Neither Obama nor the MSM convinced me of that -- Hillary did.

We care about politics because we know politics matters for people's lives and opportunities.

by politicsmatters on Wed Mar 26, 2008 at 08:51:09 PM EST

Read this and educate yourself (2.00 / 1)

Associated Press, March 25, 1996:

MARKOVICI, Bosnia-Herzegovina - PROTECTED BY SHARPSHOOTERS, Hillary
Rodham Clinton swooped into a military zone by BLACKHAWK HELICOPTER
Monday to deliver a personal "thank you, thank you, thank you" to U.S.
troops.

"They're making a difference," the first lady said of the 18,500
Americans working as peacekeepers in Bosnia. Mrs. Clinton became the
first presidential spouse since Eleanor Roosevelt to make such an
extensive trip into what can be considered a hostile area, though others
have visited hot spots. . . .

But the highlight of her trip were visits to TWO FORTIFIED POSTS OUTSIDE
THE U.S. BASE IN TUZLA. Even President Clinton, restricted to the base
by bad weather in January, did not see as much of this war-wracked
region as Mrs. Clinton did Monday.

The troops seemed to appreciate it: cameras chirped like a thousand
crickets as she chatted with mine-disposal experts, examined huge tanks
and met a hero or two. Chelsea, 16, kept her usual low profile but
remained constantly at her mother's side, posing for soldiers or talking
softly with them.

Watching the first lady troop around in muted trench coat and pants,
Sgt. Michael Tucker of Miami said, "She's a very important person. For
her to take time to come and see us means a lot."

Another contemporaneous account:

At a second outpost, Camp Bedrock, Mrs. Clinton visited a M.A.S.H.
unit, the only full-service U.S. Army hospital in Bosnia. The three-hour
tour of the FRONTLINES of the international peacekeeping mission were
filled with the gritty reality of a military operation, a far cry from
traditional first lady photo opportunities, and Mrs. Clinton seemed more
than comfortable with that. CNN, 3/25/96

Protected by sharpshooters, Hillary Rodham Clinton swooped into a
military zone by Black Hawk helicopter Monday to deliver a personal
"thank you, thank you, thank you" to U.S. troops.
...
RIFLEMEN RUSHED TO THE BRUSH LINE as the helicopter landed AND
SURROUNDED HER AS SHE walked into the post. Located in a "separation
zone," the U.S. outpost nestles between two tree lines. Just months ago,
one was Serbian territory, the other Bosnian.

Security was tight - fighter jets accompanied her C-17 cargo plane to
Tuzla - but officials said the first lady took no extraordinary risks on
the trip.
Lexis - By Ron Fournier,, Associated Press, March 25, 1996

Another report:

The First Lady of the United States, Hillary Clinton, visited her
country's troops at their FORTIFIED OUTPOSTS in north-eastern Bosnia
today and said their peacekeeping work was "extraordinary to behold".

Mrs Clinton's helicopter flight to Camp Alicia, home of a mechanised
infantry outfit and a combat engineer batallion 15 MILES EAST OF TUZLA,
took her over burned out villages and farm houses whose roofs had been
blown off in the fierce fighting before last December's Paris peace
agreement ended the 43 -month-old war in Bosnia.

A MACHINE GUN EMPLACEMENT GUARDED THE ENTRANCE of the outposts and
marked Bosnian minefields were visible outside its perimeter.
...
After lunch with the troops in a makeshift dining hall surrounded by
sandbags, she flew on to Camp Bedrock south of Tuzla to visit an army
field hospital.

Mrs Clinton, who LATER RETURNED TO TUZLA for a show starring singer
Sheryl Crow and comedian Sinbad, said she was "amazed at how much has
been accomplished in such a short period of time" by US troops in Bosnia.
Source - Lexis - The Herald (Glasgow), March 26, 1996

Reasonable people can disagree.

by mnicholson0220 on Wed Mar 26, 2008 at 09:02:58 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Read this and educate yourself (2.00 / 0)

You can keep posting those stories but that doesn't change the fact that THESE ARE NOT THE INCIDENTS CLINTON WAS TALKING ABOUT.

Also, this your own unique explanation for why Clinton misspoke. Neither Clinton nor her campaign have said that she was really talking about those other parts of her Bosnia visit.

Finally, there are major parts of what you mention and what Clinton mentioned that make it clear that they don't involve the same event -- including the lack of an 8 year old girl at the bases she visited.

We care about politics because we know politics matters for people's lives and opportunities.

by politicsmatters on Wed Mar 26, 2008 at 09:17:35 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Ok, you have a point that her (2.00 / 1)

campaign hasn't made much of an attempt to refute this charge. I think they just don't see it has having 'legs' beyond the media and the over-the-top Hillary haters of the liberal blogosphere. Hillary responded in an interview that the voters care about other stuff, and believe it or not I BELIEVER HER.

I mean, really, if it were anyone other than Hillary, just an ordinary person on the street, wouldn't most of us give the person a bit of leeway considering the event was TWELVE YEARS AGO? Calling her a liar because she recalled the swooping helicopter as coming into Tuzla at 2 pm when in fact the swooping helicopter occurred coming into a remote outpost at 4 pm, I mean ... isn't that over the top?

Reasonable people can disagree.

by mnicholson0220 on Thu Mar 27, 2008 at 01:55:53 PM EST
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Re: The Moral Bankruptcy of Hillary Clinton (none / 0)

Now that you know the "truth" what are you going to do about it? Vote for Obama? vote for McCain? How will either of these improve on the disaster of what we have?

To me there all the same...Not one of our leaders really cares about the public of America, nor do they really understand the issues that plague our society; all they care about is getting elected. No statesman in office now. None that I can see.

Grayglow

by grayglow on Wed Mar 26, 2008 at 09:55:33 PM EST
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indeed (2.00 / 4)

and the constant anti-hillary noise coming from every single above 'politics as usual' Obama surrogate and delegate is absolutely disgusting and disingenuous.

by linc on Wed Mar 26, 2008 at 08:53:08 PM EST

Re: indeed (2.00 / 1)

Today Bill Clinton told everyone it's time to suck it up (or was it saddle up) and deal with criticism. I encourage you to follow his advice.

We care about politics because we know politics matters for people's lives and opportunities.

by politicsmatters on Wed Mar 26, 2008 at 08:54:34 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: indeed (2.00 / 2)

And did you notice how the MSM or as some (over at the ornage sewer) have called it the 'Clinton News Network' was so quick in the guise of Campbell Brown to make a leap and try to surmise that Bill's words were derrogatoty towards the blessed 'O'?

It was a statement of fact about politicians and placing themselves out for public scrutiny, nothing more, nothing less, yet the 'above it all' usual crowd of 'mommy he dogwhislted about race' folks will try to make more of it that it really is.

Disgusting.

Hell's bells, even the GOP didn't have to crucify Eisenhower's record in order to make Reagan their 'saint'. We can have two great ones, you know?

by emsprater on Wed Mar 26, 2008 at 08:59:43 PM EST
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Re: indeed (2.00 / 2)

keep in mind where some of these phrase originated "Clinton News Network" & "Clintonista's" comes directly from Flush Phlemballs drug-addled mind, and many others from him or O'Lielly pour from the so-called pro-Obama side. Makes you wonder how easily they are infiltrated with agents provocateurs or just fools who have nothing except re-cycling their parents hatred.

by zerosumgame on Wed Mar 26, 2008 at 09:17:47 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Ah... OK (2.00 / 2)

did you pass that sage wisdom on to all your Obama buddies?

by linc on Wed Mar 26, 2008 at 09:00:06 PM EST
[ Parent ]

The Moral Bankruptcy of Barack Obama (2.00 / 2)

hypocrisy and race-baiting...sums it up real good.

by tarheel74 on Wed Mar 26, 2008 at 08:54:14 PM EST

Re: The Moral Bankruptcy of Barack Obama (none / 0)

Yeah, how dare Obama defend himself or worse yet, criticize Clinton? Although it seems like Bill Clinton says that it's stop for everyone to stop complaining and it is time to keep on keeping on.

We care about politics because we know politics matters for people's lives and opportunities.

by politicsmatters on Wed Mar 26, 2008 at 08:55:39 PM EST
[ Parent ]

The Moral Bankruptcy of Hillary's opposition (2.00 / 4)

Is a better title for all the rants of the folks who have worked tirelessly to smear her and anything Clinton since the start of this election cycle.

As for anything Bob Johnson has to post about Hillary, it's biased from the get go, so I rarely ever look at any of it. That's completely his fault for his being ready to smear her and Bill 'from day one'.

Hell's bells, even the GOP didn't have to crucify Eisenhower's record in order to make Reagan their 'saint'. We can have two great ones, you know?

by emsprater on Wed Mar 26, 2008 at 08:55:28 PM EST

Re: The Moral Bankruptcy of Hillary's opposition (2.00 / 1)

Bud, this is politics.

We care about politics because we know politics matters for people's lives and opportunities.

by politicsmatters on Wed Mar 26, 2008 at 08:56:36 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: The Moral Bankruptcy of Hillary's opposition (2.00 / 1)

Then why are Obama's folks so whiney?

Hell's bells, even the GOP didn't have to crucify Eisenhower's record in order to make Reagan their 'saint'. We can have two great ones, you know?

by emsprater on Wed Mar 26, 2008 at 09:06:42 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: The Moral Bankruptcy of Hillary's opposition (2.00 / 1)

In my view, if you get criticized, ANSWER THE DAMN CRITICISMS with logic and evidence. Don't complain you've been criticized. And for heaven's sense, don't say "but your candidate did something bad, too."

We care about politics because we know politics matters for people's lives and opportunities.

by politicsmatters on Wed Mar 26, 2008 at 09:19:45 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: The Moral Bankruptcy of Hillary's opposition (2.00 / 1)

Ok, then why didn't you answer the criticism "why are Obama's folks so whiney?"

Oh yeah, I forgot, your 'view' only applies to the opposition, as usual.

Hell's bells, even the GOP didn't have to crucify Eisenhower's record in order to make Reagan their 'saint'. We can have two great ones, you know?

by emsprater on Wed Mar 26, 2008 at 10:35:41 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: The Moral Bankruptcy of Hillary's opposition (none / 0)

Johnson may be biased, but he's got sources.

"Behold, I send you out as sheep amidst the wolves! Therefore, be as wise as a serpent, And as harmless as a dove."

by Setrak on Wed Mar 26, 2008 at 09:06:06 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: The Moral Bankruptcy of Hillary's opposition (2.00 / 1)

Sources? Yep, and just like statistics ...... they can be skewed by predisposed bias.

Hell's bells, even the GOP didn't have to crucify Eisenhower's record in order to make Reagan their 'saint'. We can have two great ones, you know?

by emsprater on Wed Mar 26, 2008 at 09:07:37 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: The Moral Bankruptcy of Hillary's opposition (none / 0)

What bothers me are diaries that all come from the candidate's spin/pr website.

We care about politics because we know politics matters for people's lives and opportunities.

by politicsmatters on Wed Mar 26, 2008 at 09:21:49 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: The Moral Bankruptcy of Hillary's opposition (2.00 / 2)

Like Drudge and Bob No-facts?

by zerosumgame on Wed Mar 26, 2008 at 09:19:04 PM EST
[ Parent ]

What will you say when Obama has a meeting (2.00 / 5)

with the board of the Pittsburgh Tribune Review? It's usual and customary for the editorial board, some reporters and the owner of the paper, Mr Scaife I think is the major if not sole owner of the paper, to be present when such interviews are conducted.

The interviews are for the purpose of an endorsement.

So what will you say? Nothing...it will be a sign of his nobility and ability to reach out to people...even conservatives. As though Obama doesn't tell conservative newspapers what they might want to hear....

Hypocrisy, thy name is Obama supporter

And moral bankruptcy...that's what you say when a candidate is doing his sneaky damnedest to make sure 2-3 million Democrats don't get the right to vote or have their votes matter. This is the stance of someone who thinks democracy is dumb...and unimportant compared to making sure he wins the nomination...and who is willing to create a contentious convention becasue he refuses to allow people to vote.

Voter repression and disenfranchisement thy name is David Plouffe and Tupac Hunter.

by debcoop on Wed Mar 26, 2008 at 08:56:03 PM EST

Re: What will you say when Obama has a meeting (2.00 / 1)

The day Obama's campaign distributes an article from the American Spectator is the day that I write an anti-Obama diary.

"Behold, I send you out as sheep amidst the wolves! Therefore, be as wise as a serpent, And as harmless as a dove."

by Setrak on Wed Mar 26, 2008 at 09:06:57 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: What will you say when Obama has a meeting (2.00 / 2)

What about Drudge? Or Robert Novak?

by OrangeFur on Wed Mar 26, 2008 at 09:26:49 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Setrak...are you really 10 years old.... (none / 0)

like everyone says?

by Shazone on Wed Mar 26, 2008 at 09:10:42 PM EST

Is your screen orange? (2.00 / 2)

Are you lost?

That's it, baby; let's go win this election!

by Beltway Dem on Wed Mar 26, 2008 at 09:19:21 PM EST

For goodness sakes... (2.00 / 3)

If, as everyone seems to know, the primary season is in fact over, then the Obama crowd ought to be trying to convince the Clinton crowd to vote for their guy in November.

Is writing a diary with this inflammatory title a rather counterintuitive way to start? Because it's not working with me.

by OrangeFur on Wed Mar 26, 2008 at 09:28:48 PM EST

Re: For goodness sakes... (2.00 / 1)

Exactly. If they've already won, they should be trying to rebuild bridges with the Clinton supporters. Calling our candidate morally bankrupt doesn't make me feel particularly enthused about Obama or his campaign, which could be a problem in the fall.

Even John McCain lusts after teh engels.

by sricki on Thu Mar 27, 2008 at 12:42:07 AM EST
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maybe this is a smart move (2.00 / 3)

sometimes, as Barack Obama says, it is good to engage even your enemies. The Clintons are doing this, and its for the better

"there is nothing wrong with America that cannot be cured by what is right in America"-William Jefferson Clinton, forty-second President of the United States

by DiamondJay on Wed Mar 26, 2008 at 09:35:11 PM EST

Re: maybe this is a smart move (none / 0)

Its called standing on principle, except she doesn't have any. And spare me any bogus comparisons to Obama's calls for our country to engage our enemies over seas.

One is a calculated and gutless political move. The other is intended to save American lives and increase our leadership and standing in the world.

If you can't see the difference, you're no longer drinking the Kool-Aid. You're drowning.

by XoFalconXo on Wed Mar 26, 2008 at 09:57:25 PM EST
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Hillary has also taken money from (none / 0)

the insurance industry - more than any other candidate - the same insurance industry lobbies that spent $100 million trashing her - when she ran for Senate one candidate raised more from the insurance industry - Rick Santorum - Hillary went over to the dark side long ago. Don't be surprised.

Listening comes first

by Moonwood on Wed Mar 26, 2008 at 11:03:54 PM EST

Re: The Moral Bankruptcy of Hillary Clinton (none / 0)

What's incredible to me is that despite the diarist's insistence that he doesn't want recommendations for this, a few people just couldn't help themselves. The collective anti-Clinton sentiments were just too compelling.

Even John McCain lusts after teh engels.

by sricki on Thu Mar 27, 2008 at 01:03:19 AM EST

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