For All Democrats: Examining Fox News

So we have the writer's strike on the Daily Kos, initiated by Alegre.   It's an interesting development, and not one that I really mean to criticize by itself.  However, as Democrats, I'm perplexed by the lack of outrage towards Fox News.

For those of you who are boycotting the Daily Kos, I applaud you all for determination and organization.  It's important in our society to be pro-active and to be willing to act bravely, even if it may result in being blinded by the spotlight and made deaf by the chaotic chorus of ridicule.

Yet there is another chaotic chorus of ridicule that many of us have been ignoring.  Disturbingly, some have even begun to tune into.  Democrats tuning into a chorus of Obama-hate.   Whether you are a Clinton supporter or an Obama supporter, you should remember the lessons of 2004.  You should remember how organized they were against John Kerry.  Against Al Gore in 2000.  Against the Clintons in the 1990's.  We should all remember what Fox News is.

Let's start at the most recent of outrages.  An outrage that many of Clinton's supporters here have been carrying on with.  Obama and the "typical white person" remark, one that has been utterly sensationalized to try and paint him as being "un-white" or "racist towards white people."  That's my take on it.   It was a poor statement, but taken completely out of context- as usual.  It's something Fox News has been running with like crazy to the point that Obama has found a very unlikely ally.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MiIK8jh3Z CE

It's incredible that Christopher Wallace isn't salivating at the mouth in the same way that the rest of Fox News, and in the same way that a lot of Clinton supporters(but NOT all) have been.  It's absolutely incredible.  You know what?  Wallace isn't the only one.  Another anchor at Fox News, Kilmeade, walked off the set.

http://my.barackobama.com/page/community /post/samgrahamfelsen/gGBnLP

Now, some are probably wondering why I'm not directly linking to Fox News.  Take a guess.  Here's another outrage from earlier in the week, summarized by the Obama campaign's response.

http://my.barackobama.com/page/community /post/samgrahamfelsen/gGBbgQ

This outrage by Fox News was a claim they made.  Please read the Obama campaign's response first before continuing on.

Thank you.  To sum up the story that Fox News had on their website, they claimed that the New Black Panthers had endorsed Obama and that it was featured on the campaign's website.  If you bothered to read the link above, you would understand why that story is utter BS.  Of course, since it's Fox News, that should have already been obvious enough.

Let's go back to Tuesday, the day Obama gave his speech.  The poll they featured on their page for the election was utterly mind-boggling.  Since I'm refusing to link, and I don't have screenshots of the poll, I'm hoping someone can verify that I'm not making this up.  The poll was, basically, "do you agree with Obama that corporate America is responsible for racism?"   Now, if you didn't see the speech, you would've probably seen that poll question and said, "stupid Democrats blaming corporations!"  If you did see the speech, you'd understand why that poll question was outrageous.

Sean Hannity, Mr. Faux-Outrage.  When discussing the Wright-story with Karl Rove, Sean Hannity claimed that producers for Fox News, while hanging outside of Trinity United Church of Christ, were handed fliers that condemned white America.  Karl Rove looked a little stunned and asked if the church was handing out the fliers.   Sean Hannity responded with "they were handing them out right infront of the place!"  Of course, before the commercial break, Hannity clarified that they have no idea who was handing the fliers out.

Let's go back.  The army captain in Afghanistan that Obama cited as an example of our lack of preparation in dealing with both Iraq and Afghanistan.   Fox News immediately pounced on this and all but questioned if Obama had made it up.  Fox News' Major Garrett and Oliver North had a discussion on Garrett's page about the steps Obama could have taken to correct the situation if the story was true, and questioned why he didn't take those steps.  They made no effort to update the story when not just some Republicans backed up the potential for Obama's claim to be true, but also high-ranking members of the Army.

Why do Obama any favors?  He's the Democratic Party's front runner right now.  And for you Clinton supporters, I want you to ask yourselves; what would they be saying about Clinton if she were the front runner?  Something reminiscent of the 90's?  Of Gore's run?  Kerry's run?  ANY Democrat's run?  Probably.

The fact that there are people who are both boycotting the Daily Kos and proudly watching Fox News is extraordinary.   I personally will not be watching Fox News no matter who the Democratic nominee is because I don't want to watch a high-tech smear campaign centered around an organization that claims to report the news when in fact they distort and opinionate the news, sensationalizing everything they can in their quest to slash and burn the Democratic Party.



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Re: For All Democrats: Examining Fox News (none / 0)

"It was a poor statement but..."

How many of those does he get?

Sorry, but your "out of context" excuse doesn't fly.


by JimR on Sat Mar 22, 2008 at 11:12:21 AM EST

Re: For All Democrats: Examining Fox News (none / 0)

You think a misspeak is more important than the passport breaches?  More important than speeches on the economy and Iraq?   More important than the endorsement of Bill Richardson, who Carville equated to Judas?

What about Bill Clinton stating that Clinton and McCain are the ones who love this country?  Do you see me harping all over that one?  Do you see Fox News raging over that one?

Of course not.  You have the right to get your news source from anywhere you like, including a sensationalist "news" organization that resembles a right-wing tabloid more than any serious news channel.


"Behold, I send you out as sheep amidst the wolves! Therefore, be as wise as a serpent, And as harmless as a dove."
by Setrak on Sat Mar 22, 2008 at 11:16:34 AM EST
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Re: For All Democrats: Examining Fox News (1.20 / 5)

There is no real evidence that Barack Obama does in fact really really love this county. He refuses to wear a flag lapel pin and does not put his hand over his heart when the national anthem in sung.

I know these are small things but if someone cannot meet the minimum required standard for patriotic behavior, in light of no evidence to the contrary, why should we assume he is as patriotic as Hillary Clinton or as John McCain?

Where is the evidence?


by Caliman on Sat Mar 22, 2008 at 11:25:45 AM EST
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Re: For All Democrats: Examining Fox News (none / 0)

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"Behold, I send you out as sheep amidst the wolves! Therefore, be as wise as a serpent, And as harmless as a dove."
by Setrak on Sat Mar 22, 2008 at 11:27:18 AM EST
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Re: For All Democrats: Examining Fox News (1.75 / 4)

I am uprating this comment... I do not agree with it, but it does not deserve a troll rating!!


If you follow history with a long enough arc, things always get better, and the truth always prevails...Gandhi
by SevenStrings on Sat Mar 22, 2008 at 11:36:27 AM EST
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Re: For All Democrats: Examining Fox News (none / 0)

Thank you for the upgrade.

And I do have a serious question. In light of the evidence we have in hand

1) Michelle Obama comments about never before being really proud of America

2) Baracks refusal to wear a flag pin

3) Baracks refusal to put his hand over his heart during the singing of the national anthem

4) His membership and support in a church that demeans white Americans and calls our country the USKKK of A.

5) His close friendship with a pastor who tells his congregation "Not God Bless America, But God Damn America".

In light of all these small indications that he lacks patriotism where is the evidence that he really loves this country that offsets this?

He started of in my mind with the benefit of the doubt. I initionally assumed he was as patriotic as the next guy running for office. But he doesn't really deserve that presumption. There is just too much circumstantial evidence that he doesn't share the patriotism and love that most Democrats and Repubicans have for our country.


by Caliman on Sat Mar 22, 2008 at 11:47:41 AM EST
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Re: For All Democrats: Examining Fox News (2.00 / 2)

I do not agree with your assessment.  I do not question BHO's patriotism.

However, those are valid questions that you ask (well, some of them anyways..the flag lapel is silly, for instance).

He will have to address those questions, if he expects to win the GE.

BHO supporters would be doing their candidate a favor if they engaged you on this questioon, rather than troll rating you !


If you follow history with a long enough arc, things always get better, and the truth always prevails...Gandhi
by SevenStrings on Sat Mar 22, 2008 at 11:56:40 AM EST
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Re: For All Democrats: Examining Fox News (none / 0)

Thanks for your thoughful response.

My opinion, strongly held, is that actions speak louder than words. So I think it is too late for Obama to do anything to offset this. He can give a speech, but he cannot take back twenty years of his nodding his head in agreement as his pastor denigrates white people or disrespects our country.

If the sense of patriotism and love for the USA is not part of his very essense as a man then all he has left are empty words.


by Caliman on Sat Mar 22, 2008 at 12:11:06 PM EST
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Re: For All Democrats: Examining Fox News (2.00 / 1)

You can definitely question his judgement for not voicing an objection to Wright before.

You should not question his patriotism!!


If you follow history with a long enough arc, things always get better, and the truth always prevails...Gandhi
by SevenStrings on Sat Mar 22, 2008 at 12:20:05 PM EST
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Re: For All Democrats: Examining Fox News (2.00 / 1)

Thank you, builderman, for calling me a troll as well!


If you follow history with a long enough arc, things always get better, and the truth always prevails...Gandhi
by SevenStrings on Sat Mar 22, 2008 at 12:24:47 PM EST
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sweet (none / 0)

you are now a wingnut, congrats.


-- be excellent to each other
by kindthoughts on Sat Mar 22, 2008 at 12:31:47 PM EST
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Re: For All Democrats: Examining Fox News (2.00 / 0)

I don't watch any of the cable news stations on a regular basis. I do watch on election nights, because I am trying to get info, and I find that is often hard to do so in real time online as Sec of State sites crash or aren't updated, and blogs are full of people spouting off without knowing what they are talking about. I actually switch through all 3 of the stations, but, in all honesty, I stay on Fox more.

This is for several reasons. First of all, Fox has more knowledgable people as their experts. The have Barone, who literally wrote the freaking book on US politics, and Rove, who, while the consumate scumbag, does actully know his business. Who does CNN have, John Anderson, standing before a map of NH long after it was obvious that Hillary had won yet still droning on about how the "college towns" were going to put Obama over the top? Or Bill Schneider, who might as well be in a coma as he hasn't had an insight since. . .well, actually, he's never had an insight. As for MSNBC, they don't even have any wonky experts.

This leads to point 2, Fox gets it right and first. They call most races earliest (CNN is almost always last). And, because they have Barone and such, they don't get it wrong, like many other news outlets did about Missouri.

Third, and I know you won't buy this but I think it's true, but they are fairer than the other 2. MSNBC is simply loaded with Obama shills. While I flip through it looking for info on its crawls, I usually turn the sound off so as not to have to listen to Tweety, Olberasshole, "greatest degeneration" senile Brokaw, and the rest of them cream in their pants over Obama. CNN is a little more objective, but not much. Fox hates all Democrats. They obviously hate the Clintons. And now they hate Obama too. So, as they have no dog in the fight, they tend to present the facts. Even asshats like Cristal and Fred Barnes were saying that Hillary would probably win the Texas primary when the election hadn't been called yet. You simply couldn't get that info on CNN or MSNBC, because, as Obama rooters, they were still clinging to hope that had no basis in fact.

I obviously agree with you that Fox is a POS network run by a POS GOP scumbag and staffed with the same. But, I am going to "strike" or boycot it on election nights, as they actually do their job and do it better than their competitors.


by freemansfarm on Sat Mar 22, 2008 at 11:17:31 AM EST

Re: For All Democrats: Examining Fox News (none / 0)

(sigh) should have been "not going to 'strke'" in the last sentence.


by freemansfarm on Sat Mar 22, 2008 at 11:20:45 AM EST
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Re: For All Democrats: Examining Fox News (none / 0)

I got your meaning, and I begrudgingly agree with you on some levels.


"Behold, I send you out as sheep amidst the wolves! Therefore, be as wise as a serpent, And as harmless as a dove."
by Setrak on Sat Mar 22, 2008 at 11:23:48 AM EST
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Re: For All Democrats: Examining Fox News (none / 0)

Thank you for that.


by freemansfarm on Sat Mar 22, 2008 at 11:26:10 AM EST
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Re: For All Democrats: Examining Fox News (none / 0)

So, Fox gets it right? Sorry, but Fox's call for Bush in 2000 totally screwed Al Gore.


We care about politics because we know politics matters for people's lives and opportunities.
by politicsmatters on Sat Mar 22, 2008 at 11:41:23 AM EST
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Re: For All Democrats: Examining Fox News (none / 0)

I am not going to argue about that. I have heard this claim before, and it may very well be true. The point remains, though, that on every primary night in this cycle, Fox has consistently called the elections first, and they haven't gotten one wrong yet.

Again, I have no love for Fox. I'm just saying they do election night coverage better than MSNBC or CNN in this cycle. And that matters to me.


by freemansfarm on Sat Mar 22, 2008 at 11:45:22 AM EST
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Re: For All Democrats: Examining Fox News (none / 0)

Fox also said this morning that Hillary should quit because Obama had the worst week of the campaign.  Obvuiusly, two things were  left unstated:

1) Obama should have taken more of a dive given the news that came out.

2) As the Republican network of choice, Fox is looking forward to running the same stuff they have against Obama all the way through November.  They want him as the nominee and they want him bad.  This is just a warm up for the scum bag express.


by David Kowalski on Sat Mar 22, 2008 at 11:29:17 AM EST

If The Clintons Released Their Tax Returns....... (none / 0)

Do you think we'd find payments from Rupert Murdoch and Fox? They seem awfully cozy, and Hillary seems like she's be all too willing to protect the status quo (ridicule change much?). If those tax returns come out, we'll find out that the Clintons are wealthy DINOS.
by bernardpliers on Sat Mar 22, 2008 at 11:37:14 AM EST
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Nice try at thread-jacking (none / 0)

try it at Kos where it will get better reception. For that matter where's Obama's tax refund? Or his records from state senate? Is he afraid of something?


by tarheel74 on Sat Mar 22, 2008 at 11:45:09 AM EST
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Re: Nice try at thread-jacking (none / 0)

His tax returns were released months ago, although the Clinton campaign tried to claim last week that they weren't. Try keeping up with current events.
by bernardpliers on Sat Mar 22, 2008 at 12:08:56 PM EST
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Obamorons and the "tax returns" (none / 0)

Hillary Clinton has only said 137 times that the tax returns are coming out April 15.  Does that date MEAN anything to you or are you too young to pay taxes?  That is a full week before the PA primaries and so plenty of time for the Obama legions to pore through every jot and tittle of the return.

When is Obama going to release his last 20 years of tax returns, as the Clintons have?


Reasonable people can disagree.
by mnicholson0220 on Sat Mar 22, 2008 at 12:17:20 PM EST
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Re: Obamorons and the "tax returns" (none / 0)

Oh not this again - this has been done to death.  Obama has released all his tax returns for every year since he has held public office - I think it is about 20 years. We are all still waiting for HRC to release her 2000-2006 returns.  You might have noticed that HRC herself has sought to keep the precise date of when she will release them a little vague - perhaps giving her wriggle room to delay them until after April22nd.


by interestedbystander on Sat Mar 22, 2008 at 01:23:34 PM EST
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What To Call Hillary's Dis-information Trolls? (none / 0)

Riiiiiight, Hillary isn't hiding her 2000-2006 taxes. Sad to see her people resorting to a very Republican tactic of simply repeating gibberish over and over on blogs, like wingnuts claiming that Saddam had WMD, Soros is a Nazi, and deficits have gone down.
by bernardpliers on Sat Mar 22, 2008 at 02:15:34 PM EST
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Re: If The Clintons Released Their Tax Returns.... (none / 0)

Murdoch hosted a fundraiser for HRC's senate campaign in July 06.


by interestedbystander on Sat Mar 22, 2008 at 01:15:47 PM EST
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Exactly. Is The GOP Funding Hillary? (none / 0)

They funded the Greens, why not Hillary?
by bernardpliers on Sat Mar 22, 2008 at 02:11:33 PM EST
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Re: For All Democrats: Examining Fox News (none / 0)

I really do not watch Fox News, but in this primary they and CNN (except when Donna Brazile comes on to disgrace everything) is doing a far better job of being objective than MSNBC which is openly shilling for Obama and posting any scurrilous smears they can about Sen. Clinton without any evidence. Olbermann became  a certified clown when he peddled the Obama was made blacker in the ad controversy without even bothering to Fact Check and when he was proved wrong he did not even retract or apologize, same with the Ferraro controversy which was a storm in a tea-cup when in fact John Kerry said the very same thing and Claire McCaskill went even further to label all black leaders prior to Obama as having a victim mentality...now that is racist. No spittle flaking special "comment" on that, but for a man who's show is running 2nd from last in cable news ratings he will say anything to drive up his ratings, he plays for the Obama audience and that's his game but in the process he lost millions of Hillary supporters.
Finally to debunk you entire Fox News is bad screed...guess where Barack went after his soft ball interview at Olberman once the Wright controversy broke? Hannity and Colmes. Irony? Comedy? Hypocrisy? All of the above?
by tarheel74 on Sat Mar 22, 2008 at 11:43:18 AM EST

Re: For All Democrats: Examining Fox News (none / 0)

I hate to admit it, but all Democrats owe Fox News a debt of gratitude on this count.  If they were truly as sinister as we all thought, they would have saved the Rev. Wright story until after Obama won the nomination.

Yet, they were pushing that story for weeks.  In fact, some in the blogosphere had pursued it for nearly a year.  Because of the sanitizing media coverage, many of us simply never knew.

I happen to think Obama handled the situation about as well as he possibly could have, and I wrote my own reaction to his speech here.  I'll also concede that this was the first time in his political career that Sen. Obama indicated to us that he was capable of doing something bold.

So those are two compliments from me.

But..

I have absolutely no question in my mind that this story makes him unelectable in the general election.  McCain already signaled that he intended to make this debate about "character".  Gee, why do you suppose he made that decision?  Meanwhile, very rational conservative commentators, like Newt Gingrich, will make observations like this that will completely tear him down.

How many times have we lost the White House because of some form of "swift boating"?

So, for FOX News to make us aware of what I feel is a fatal flaw in Obama's electability is a service.  We still have time to adapt to this new information.


by bobbank on Sat Mar 22, 2008 at 12:02:06 PM EST

Fox Is Desperate To See Hillary Get The Nomination (none / 0)

Me, I'm not comfortable having the GOP pick my candidate. They already know they can influence the GOP campaign. Rudy was a bust, but they owed Rudy big time political favors because he helped Fox enter the NYC cable market. But man if they can pick the Democratic candidate (Hillary) then really the Democratic Party becomes a wholly owned subsidiary of the GOP and News Corp. But now they are going to force Hillary down our throats the same way they pushed Bush on us: by kneecapping Obama the same way they did with that "crazy liar" Al Gore.
by bernardpliers on Sat Mar 22, 2008 at 12:14:23 PM EST
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Ah, but you miss a key point: (none / 0)

FOX hates all liberals equally.   MSNBC and CNN only hate Hillary.   As evidence I give you below the following transcript snips from "The Situation Room" last week.   This campaign has revived in me some old and painful memories:   Liberal men hate women.   Whether it's the 60s rock musicians singing "American  Woman, get away from me" or "Under My Thumb" ("A siamese cat [spitting sound on the final 't'] of a girl who's just had her day") or whether it's Huey Newton saying "Sure, women have a role in the Black Power movement:  prone".    

From CNN (emphases mine):

CAFFERTY: Yes. Well, did I miss the announcement? Did the Democratic Party put Hillary Clinton in charge of resolving this? I must have missed the press release. No, they didn't. And this nonsense about I'm issuing a challenge to Barack Obama to do something about Michigan and Florida is pure hypocrisy.

Hillary Clinton was fine with not counting Michigan and Florida back when she was leading in all the polls and walking around like the incumbent president of the United States. Now she's behind and she's far enough behind that she can't catch Obama. So she's not going to get the nomination unless she can somehow create this idea that it's Barack Obama's fault that the people in Florida and Michigans votes didn't count.

BLITZER: All right.

CAFFERTY: So there's no way you can just go seat the delegates based on the results from January. Obama said he'll abide by the rules set down by the DNC. And this is nonsense that Senator Clinton is pulling here.

BORGER: Look, I think -- I think each campaign is doing what it has to do. I mean it's in Hillary Clinton's interests to prolong this and to have re-votes...

CAFFERTY: Why?

BORGER: ...in each of those states. Because she feels that the longer this contest goes on, Jack, that she might pick up some momentum. If she can win in a state like Florida or win in a state like Michigan or win in a future...

CAFFERTY: Yes.

BORGER: And it's in Barack Obama's interests to not have these re-votes and to continue to count the delegates. Now, having said that, I think that the DNC is in a real pickle right now because everybody looks bad.

TOOBIN: I really think this is unseemly whining by Hillary Clinton.

CAFFERTY: Amen.

TOOBIN: You know, the rules were the rules...

CAFFERTY: Yes.

TOOBIN: And I don't believe that the voters of Michigan and Florida, come November, eight months from now, are going to say well, you know, I don't really care about the war in Iraq or the economy. What I really care about is who voted in the primary 11 months earlier and whether their votes counted.

I mean I think this is all inside baseball and doesn't matter -- won't matter in the fall. I think Hillary Clinton is just behind and she's --

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And here is what I wrote in response:

Wolf Blitzer, Jack Cafferty, et al.  (Wednesday 3:40 pm PDT).   You have just crossed over into the realm of Rush Limbaugh.  You three men sit there launching character assassinations against Hillary Clinton (accusing her of political machinations and "unseemly whining").    In fact, insiders understand that it IS the Obama campaign holding up progress in Michigan.  You people are not journalists, you are opinionated misogynists who think you can say anything about a woman from your holy pulpit there on CNN and everyone will think it's just fine.  

Everyone does not.   You've just lost this viewer forever.  


Reasonable people can disagree.
by mnicholson0220 on Sat Mar 22, 2008 at 12:12:32 PM EST

Fox News is an abomination. (none / 0)

It's disgraceful to watch it, regardless of who they're bashing at the moment.
Even John McCain lusts after teh engels.
by sricki on Sat Mar 22, 2008 at 12:34:36 PM EST


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