Hillary Clinton Has a Serious Problem in May

Usually I wouldn't even bother with a story like this.  Usually I'd say, "eh, it's a little early to rush to conclusions."  Yet that attitude grows weaker and weaker when I see more and more right-wing talking points being spewed out of the mouths of some at My Direct Democracy.  That patience gets thinner and thinner when I see one Clinton supporter after another sensationalizing every little thing.

A tip of the hat to Barbara Ehrenreich for her article in the Nation which can be located here; http://www.thenation.com/doc/20080331/eh renreich

Therefore, I am presenting you with a serious problem that Hillary Diane Rodham Clinton will have in May.  It's a book that's being written about her Washington-based pastor.

Barbara Ehrenreich sums it up pretty well in her introduction;

There's a reason Hillary Clinton has remained relatively silent during the flap over intemperate remarks by Barack Obama's former pastor, Jeremiah Wright. When it comes to unsavory religious affiliations, she's a lot more vulnerable than Obama.

What?!  Oh, I'm sure, some people are going to say that this is ridiculous.  Right?  Because Hillary's supporters know her so well.  Right?  They know a lot about her congregation, where it's based, the precise denomination that it is.  Right?

You can find all about it in a widely under-read article in the September 2007 issue of Mother Jones, in which Kathryn Joyce and Jeff Sharlet reported that "through all of her years in Washington, Clinton has been an active participant in conservative Bible study and prayer circles that are part of a secretive Capitol Hill group known as "The "Fellowship," also known as The Family. But it won't be a secret much longer. Jeff Sharlet's shocking exposé The Family: The Secret Fundamentalism at the Heart of American Power will be published in May.

Preposterous!  Clinton in a conservation Bible study?  A conservative prayer circle?  NAME NAMES!

At the heart of The Family's American branch is a collection of powerful right-wing politicos, who include, or have included, Sam Brownback, Ed Meese, John Ashcroft, James Inhofe and Rick Santorum.

Well, after Gonzales, I guess Ashcroft wasn't that bad.  Right?  Heh.  Well how do we know that Clinton is in with them?  Do we take the author of the upcoming novel at his word?

Clinton fell in with The Family in 1993, when she joined a Bible study group composed of wives of conservative leaders like Jack Kemp and James Baker. When she ascended to the Senate, she was promoted to what Sharlet calls the Family's "most elite cell," the weekly Senate Prayer Breakfast, which included, until his downfall, Virginia's notoriously racist Senator George Allen. This has not been a casual connection for Clinton. She has written of Doug Coe, The Family's publicity-averse leader, that he is "a unique presence in Washington: a genuinely loving spiritual mentor and guide to anyone, regardless of party or faith, who wants to deepen his or her relationship with God."

Oh, she wrote about it.  Huh.  Well who is this Coe guy?  Some delusion of fringe groups on the left?  According to Time magazine, he's the 4th most influential Evangelical and "he specializes in the spiritual struggles of the powerful."
( http://www.time.com/time/covers/11010502 07/photoessay/4.html )

But.. what makes the Family such a weird group?  Just because former Senators Allen and Santorum are members?

Furthermore, The Family takes credit for some of Clinton's rightward legislative tendencies, including her support for a law guaranteeing "religious freedom" in the workplace, such as for pharmacists who refuse to fill birth control prescriptions and police officers who refuse to guard abortion clinics.

No wonder Coulter sort-of likes her.  But still, how bad can it be?

Sharlet generously attributes Clinton's involvement to the under-appreciated depth of her religiosity, but he himself struggles to define The Family's theological underpinnings. The Family avoids the word Christian but worships Jesus, though not the Jesus who promised the earth to the "meek." They believe that, in mass societies, it's only the elites who matter, the political leaders who can build God's "dominion" on earth. Insofar as The Family has a consistent philosophy, it's all about power--cultivating it, building it and networking it together into ever-stronger units, or "cells." "We work with power where we can," Doug Coe has said, and "build new power where we can't."

Oh my  God!  It's the New World Order?!  No, Hillary say it isn't so!  I thought you were the DLCer for the People!  But hey, let's calm down a bit, okay?  I respect people for their religious choices.  So why the tell-all book?

He wasn't undercover; he used his own name and admitted to being a writer. But he wasn't completely out of danger either. When he went outdoors one night to make a cell phone call, he was followed. He still gets calls from Family associates asking him to meet them in diners--alone.

Where's John Grisham?!  Anyways, what sort of really-bad stuff have they done or are thought to have done?  As the author of the upcoming tell-all said back in 2003 to Harper magazine;

During the 1960s the Family forged relationships between the U.S. government and some of the most anti-Communist (and dictatorial) elements within Africa's postcolonial leadership. The Brazilian dictator General Costa e Silva, with Family support, was overseeing regular fellowship groups for Latin American leaders, while, in Indonesia, General Suharto (whose tally of several hundred thousand "Communists" killed marks him as one of the century's most murderous dictators) was presiding over a group of fifty Indonesian legislators. During the Reagan Administration the Family helped build friendships between the U.S. government and men such as Salvadoran general Carlos Eugenios Vides Casanova, convicted by a Florida jury of the torture of thousands, and Honduran general Gustavo Alvarez Martinez, himself an evangelical minister, who was linked to both the CIA and death squads before his own demise.

Is any of this the truth? I don't pretend to know.

http://www.thenation.com/doc/20080331/eh renreich , http://www.time.com/time/covers/11010502 07/photoessay/4.html , http://www.harpers.org/archive/2003/03/0 079525 , http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Family_(Christian_political_organization)



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Re: Hillary Clinton Has a Serious Problem in May (2.00 / 1)

I thought it was widely known Clinton was part of the Capitol Hill bible group? I certainly knew.


Restore America's Strength.
by RJEvans on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 07:08:57 PM EST

It is - even I knew! (none / 0)

This is a non-event...except that Obamophiles will now be pushing it all over the web to try and make it seem as if it's the same as Rev. Wright and his BFF, Barry Obama!

To do so will be sad.  And it will only make the Democratic party look more pathetic...and I say that as a Dem myself.


by Shazone on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 07:10:59 PM EST
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I didn't know but i am fairly new to politics so


Obama said, as Bill beamed. "Thank you, President Clinton."
by TruthMatters on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 07:11:21 PM EST
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I think John Edwards belonged to this as well.

Do you recall the flap over him having never met VP Cheney (during the 2004 debate).  Elizabeth Edwards reportedly corrected VP Cheney afterwards... they had met at the prayer breakfast !!


If you follow history with a long enough arc, things always get better, and the truth always prevails...Gandhi
by SevenStrings on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 07:26:13 PM EST
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Not really news (none / 0)

At least not news to me.

Wright was news to me.


by Edgar08 on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 07:10:20 PM EST

Re: Not really news (none / 0)

Not news to me...have heard it before....

anything else happening out there?


by Patriot2008 on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 08:44:53 PM EST
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This has already been bloged twice today and the whole notion of Clinton being part of some shadowy group was debunked a year or more ago.

Everyone knows she is part of the prayer group on capital hill.


by americanincanada on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 07:12:37 PM EST

Re: Hillary Clinton Has a Serious Problem in May (none / 0)

"Everyone knows she is part of the prayer group on capital hill."

This will help her in evangelical circles.


by Marsha1 on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 07:42:23 PM EST
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Re: Hillary Clinton Has a Serious Problem in May (none / 0)

Yep, those trolling with these stories are only helping her increase evangelical white women votes.

Thanks for helping Hillary, Messiah followers:-)


by Sandeep on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 08:21:11 PM EST
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Re: Hillary Clinton Has a Serious Problem in May (none / 0)

I guess you haven't heard or maybe your ignoring the big news which is that American voters are beginning to reject Obama and do not trust him now over the wright fiasco. Go check the headlines and then go and weep


Steven Shaman Publisher Skywatch-Media News
by steve468 on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 07:14:01 PM EST

Re: Hillary Clinton Has a Serious Problem in May (none / 0)

the more conservative she is the better for me


Educated in a small town Taught to fear Jesus in a small town Used to daydream in that small town Another born romantic that's me.
by lori on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 07:14:06 PM EST

Re: Hillary Clinton Has a Serious Problem in May (none / 0)

well, that pretty much says it all.


It's all about McCain/Bush now...
by thereisnospoon on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 08:45:06 PM EST
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Re: Hillary Clinton Has a Serious Problem in May (none / 0)

Excellent point Lori

Conservative she is.


by Patriot2008 on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 08:47:11 PM EST
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Re: Hillary Clinton Has a Serious Problem in May (none / 0)

don't equate her christian beliefs to Obama's pastor and his radical anti-American, blame white society belief.


by American1989 on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 07:14:23 PM EST

Re: Hillary Clinton Has a Serious Problem in May (none / 0)

by the way the why the hell would anyone reading the nation mag.

commies lol


Educated in a small town Taught to fear Jesus in a small town Used to daydream in that small town Another born romantic that's me.
by lori on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 07:16:27 PM EST

Re: Hillary Clinton Has a Serious Problem in May (none / 0)

be reading


Educated in a small town Taught to fear Jesus in a small town Used to daydream in that small town Another born romantic that's me.
by lori on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 07:16:54 PM EST
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Re: Hillary Clinton Has a Serious Problem in May (none / 0)

are you a democrat in any way, shape or form?


It's all about McCain/Bush now...
by thereisnospoon on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 08:45:46 PM EST
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Re: Hillary Clinton Has a Serious Problem in May (none / 0)

Old story, debunked almost a year ago, yawn...


No politician ever lost an election because he underestimated the intelligence of the American public. - PT Barnum, paraphrased...
by jarhead5536 on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 07:16:45 PM EST

Link? (none / 0)

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by benmasel on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 08:05:37 PM EST
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im sorry....but whats the point? Hillary is the religious person everyone said she wasnt! This is laughable.....unless they came out spewing hate and called america "god damn america" i dont see a problem. I go to church too, with god forbid those evil republican's but that doesnt mean im an evil person!

you guy reconize your guy is going down in flames and you are trying so hard to bring everyone else with him!

face it this is obama's problem, not hillary's or mine!


by boxer4hrc on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 07:17:47 PM EST

Re: Hillary Clinton Has a Serious Problem in May (none / 0)

sorry, if Hillary's conservative church group influenced her to allow pharmacists to deny birth control, that's a big, big fucking deal to me.


It's all about McCain/Bush now...
by thereisnospoon on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 08:46:47 PM EST
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John Edwards was there too... (none / 0)

As I recall, that breakfast prayer meeting is where John Edwards met Dick Cheney (and did not remember, afterwards)


If you follow history with a long enough arc, things always get better, and the truth always prevails...Gandhi
by SevenStrings on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 07:24:20 PM EST

Re: Hillary Clinton Has a Serious Problem in May (none / 0)

I think the POPE belongs to this group too.
I think Jesus belongs to this group too.

by californiarose on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 07:31:05 PM EST

Re: Hillary Clinton Has a Serious Problem in May (none / 0)

Lets make this clear, Hillary Clinton is part of a prayer group on Capitol Hill. So, what? She is a Methodist and her faith is important to her.


Restore America's Strength.
by RJEvans on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 07:31:57 PM EST

That's it! Keep equivocating. Keep rationalizing. (none / 0)

To compare Jeremiah Wright to Geraldine Ferraro--despite the face value comment the fact is Obama did equivocate this in his speech in Phila.--makes Obama look desperate. There's a hard sell to that concept which doesn't flush. It diminishes the "seller's" efforts in the mindset of the listener. It's a common mistake that some politicians make; and, we're seeing Obama putting this strategy front and center in recent days. Guess what? It ain't workin'! It's biting him in the ass. It makes him look bad...or, worse...desperate in the eyes of some, when he really didn't even have to go there. If the listener finds the equivocating comment inherently incredulous, the whole effort backfires. To some extent that did happen this week.

And, we're seeing it right here in this diary, too! A bible study group on Capitol Hill? Let's see the video! Oh? There isn't any? Did the reverend say: "God damn America?" I don't think so.

Do you really thing the GOP'ers would attack their own--those in the Republican party that were a part of this bible group--to go after Hillary? Think again. That ain't happening.

So, keep equivocating!

Minor difference here: The GOP and the MSM floated the Wright videos. Now we're talking about some on the liberal side of the Democratic Party--Hillary's party I might add--as well as the very liberal media, Mother Jones, going after there own?

Just fuckin' wonderful...there's no comparison here, at all.

So, exactly who's undermining their party here, anyway? Tell me, please?!?

Go ahead. Try floating this boat! It'll do more to torpedo Obama's efforts than if he said nothing at all. Now there's a concept!


by bobswern on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 07:35:31 PM EST

IMHO, this diary's very ass-backwards... (none / 0)

...Hillary picks up more votes than she disaffects with this story going public.

Furthermore, if the linking of this story goes back to the Obamatrons, it makes them look desperate; at the end of the day, this strategy--just like this diary--completely backfires.

Again, there is no equivocating between Wright and the Capitol Hill bible study group. At all.

Nuthin' but negatives here for BHO.

This boat don't float, because the bullshit doesn't flush.


by bobswern on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 07:42:47 PM EST
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Sounds like a whole bunch of nothin' (none / 0)

to me.  BUT I'd never underestimate the ability of Obama to make things "stick" to Hillary.  If he's teflon, she's definitely velcro.

He'll probably do one of this trademark "framing" jobs and define this as evidence that Rev. Jerry has been right all along.   Those rich white people have been meeting every Sunday since Reconstruction to plot the downfall of the black huddled masses.  Like himself.  And Michelle.  


Reasonable people can disagree.
by mnicholson0220 on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 07:45:27 PM EST

Re: Sounds like a whole bunch of nothin' (none / 0)

That's offensive.

You can think all you want -- as I do -- that this prayer group thing is a non issue.

But don't ascribe words and attitudes to Obama or his wife that are both offensive and a gross smear of character.

Or is it the case that to you perceive that every black politician is some sort of whining victim?


by wolff109 on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 09:11:56 PM EST
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Re: Hillary Clinton Has a Serious Problem in May (none / 0)

There has already been a diary on this today.


by JustJennifer on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 07:57:58 PM EST

Re: Hillary Clinton Has a Serious Problem in May (none / 0)

I read this on Huffington Post earlier and wondered about it.  There are a couple comments that say it was debunked - does anyone have a link the debunking?  Note - I don't go there often anymore, I was looking for something else.  I also gave up DailyKos and AmericaBlog.  I wonder what these sites will do when Hillary becomes the nominee after they have spent some much time bashing her?


by badu on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 08:02:52 PM EST

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Bible study and prayer circles that are part of a secretive Capitol Hill group known as "The "Fellowship," also known as The Family.

"The Family"? Oh, wow. Bet that's some kind of scary code. But what could it mean...? Oh! Hillary's one of the last uncaptured Manson kids! I knew it!

In the 1940s, The Family reached out to former and not-so-former Nazis, and its fascination with that exemplary leader, Adolf Hitler, has continued, along with ties to a whole bestiary of murderous thugs.

It's all clear to me now. Obama is a secret Muslim and a not-so-secret black radical. Hillary is a secret Manson follower and a not-so-secret fan of Hitler. Obama is trying to seize power so that he can ultimately overturn the government and put black people in charge of everything, while white people have to go live in cages. Hillary seeks the presidency so that she can begin another Holocaust which will, if all goes well, somehow start a huge war between people of all different races -- especially AAs and whites -- and will bring about Helter Skelter!

So I guess it doesn't matter if it's Clinton or Obama as the nominee. Either way, the end is near.

Even John McCain lusts after teh engels.
by sricki on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 08:05:06 PM EST

Videogame Censorship? (none / 0)

Clinton, Brownback, Santorum, Lieberman.




Democratic Candidate, US Senate, Wisconsin 2012
by benmasel on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 08:08:33 PM EST

Re: Videogame Censorship? (none / 0)

yep.  all too typical.  And denying birth control, too, if the pharmacist feels like it.


It's all about McCain/Bush now...
by thereisnospoon on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 08:48:31 PM EST
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I think all you folks defending Clinton here miss the point:

Clinton's potential problem does not stem from the fact that she blonged to the prayer group, it's that she's now associated with the people in it, and any outrageous things they might have ever said.

Also, now she's associated with an organization that -- according to the article -- resemble a fascist cult more than a mainstream religious group.

Whether or not the characterization of the group is accurate, or whether or not people care, I don't know. But the people in the group have certainly have said outrageous things.

However, I don't think it's an issue. It makes sense that Clinton's participation is part of an effort to establish communication and common ground with other Senators.


by wolff109 on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 09:05:05 PM EST

A non-issue that Setrak (none / 0)

in his own selfish way is trying to make viable. On to the next. Seen any daylight yet, guy?


by Soitgoes on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 09:50:06 PM EST

Re: Hillary Clinton Has a Serious Problem in May (none / 0)

Wow, thanks for that.  The links you provided and the sub-links kept me amused for hours.  The very nature of these articles, most from authoritative sources, and their content lead me to believe there is something significant here but having read them all in depth I am also convinced that the subtle implications of Hillary's involvement with this group, while profoundly disturbing, will remain just below the surface of the perceptions of the media and the electorate at large.

What a fascinating and disconcerting read, thanks very much.  I had no idea about this group or her affiliation and yet explains so much, not least of which her hawkish foreign policy in general and recent Kyl/Lieberman vote.  No excuses for not anticipating and being forewarned about the kind of foreign policy we could expect from a new Clinton administration, that's for sure.


by Shaun Appleby on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 10:19:14 PM EST

Re: Hillary Clinton Has a Serious Problem in May (none / 0)

Another non issue from the now desperate Obama clique..


The man who reads nothing at all is better educated than the man who reads nothing but newspapers. -- Thomas Jefferson
by pollbuster on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 10:38:25 PM EST


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